Revised
Epic Monster Damage (4E)
Bane
(4th Edition)
Cloverfield
Monster
Table
4: Expanded Damage (Levels 31-75)
Conversion
Table 3: 3rd to 4th Edition
Hecatonchiere
Throne
of Orcus (pt. 2)
Orcus
Throne
of Orcus (pt.1)
Epic
Adventure Design
Known
Old Ones
Galactus
New
Special Materials
Demogorgon
Various
Monsters
Clay
Colossus
Revising
Epic Feats
Weapons
(Final Fantasy)
New
Feats (and Spell System)
Crown
Naga
Revising
Salient Divine Abilities
Talos
Epic
Tarrasque
King
Ghidorah
Godzilla
Conversion
Table 2: Divine Rank by HD/Levels
Conversion
Table 1: Divine Rank by Comparisons
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Updated
16th March: So far below I have the first forty Monster Manual Epic
(21+) Tier monsters (up to Gibbering Orb) covered. I'll update more periodically,
including epic monsters from other books. I also need to check the errata
as I have an early printing of the 4E Monster Manual and I know there
were a few damage changes to some monsters.
Revising Epic
Monster Damage (4E)
Okay, so why bother revising the damages?
Well, in the epic tier, many gaming groups report that monsters are not
threatening enough. One of the major issues with this that they don't
deal enough damage. Investigation shows that while the math is solid enough,
that WotC themselves seem to be straying from their own guidelines (as
shown in the Dungeon Masters Guide pgs 184-185). The thread here
on ENWorld discusses the matter further.
The following is a list of
Monster attacks in 4E, showing which are underpowered with the suggested
damage in the Dungeon Masters Guide. Its not strictly errata, but in a
roundabout way it is.
The Damage is whats listed
in the official source, the Revised Damage is whats suggested for that
attack in the Dungeon Masters Guide. The Net Difference tells us at a
glance if the revision is greater
or weaker. Note that even
if weaker in most of the
cases the damage would still be higher for the purpose of critical hits.
While many suggested revisions are only a few points different in 4th
Edition a few points can be quite a lot.
Monster Manual
Monster |
Attack |
Damage |
Errata? |
Revised
Damage (from DMG) |
Net
Difference |
Astral
Stalker |
Claw |
2d6+8 |
|
3d6+8 |
+3.5 |
|
Throat
Dart |
1d10+8 |
|
2d6+7 |
+0.5 |
Atropal |
Necrotizing
Touch |
2d10+10 |
|
3d8+10 |
+2.5 |
|
Atropos
Burst |
4d8+5 |
|
5d10+9 |
+13.5 |
Blood
Fiend |
Claws |
2d8+10 |
|
3d6+8 |
-0.5 |
|
Bloodthirsty
Bite |
1d10+8 |
|
3d6+8 |
+5 |
Phane |
Temporal
Touch |
2d8+10 |
|
3d8+9 |
+3.5 |
|
Wizening
Ray |
2d6+9 |
|
2d8+9 |
+2 |
|
Wizening
Tempest |
2d6+10 |
|
3d8+9 |
+5.5 |
Tarrasque |
Bite |
1d12+16 |
|
4d8+10 |
+6 |
|
Fury
of the Tarrasque |
3d12+16 |
|
5d10+9 |
+1 |
|
Trample |
1d12+16 |
|
4d8+10 |
+1 |
Earthrage
Battlebriar |
Claw |
2d12+11 |
|
4d8+10 |
+4 |
|
Trample |
1d12+22 |
|
3d8+10 |
-5 |
Chuul
Juggernaut |
Claw |
2d8+8 |
|
3d6+8 |
+1.5 |
|
Psychic
Lure |
2d10+3 |
|
2d6+8 |
+1 |
Godforged
Colossus |
Force
Weapon |
4d12+15 |
|
4d8+10 |
-9 |
|
Defensive
Strike |
4d12+15 |
|
4d8+10 |
-9 |
|
Force
Missile |
3d8+11 |
|
5d12+9 |
+17 |
Death
Knight (Dragonborn Paladin) |
Soulsword |
1d8+16 |
|
3d8+9 |
+2 |
|
Valiant
Strike |
2d8+16 |
|
3d8+9 |
-2.5 |
|
Terrifying
Smite |
3d8+16 |
|
5d12+9 |
+12 |
|
Unholy
Flames |
6d8+14 |
|
5d10+9 |
-4.5 |
Balor |
Lightning
Sword |
2d10+10 |
|
4d6+9 |
+2 |
|
Flame
Whip |
3d8+5 |
|
4d6+9 |
+5.5 |
|
Death
Burst |
7d10 |
|
5d12+9 |
+3 |
Glabrezu |
Pincer
Claw |
2d8+8 |
|
4d6+8 |
+5 |
|
Abyssal
Bolt |
3d4+7 |
|
2d6+8 |
+0.5 |
|
Blasphemous
Word |
1d12+7 |
|
2d6+8 |
+1.5 |
|
Chaos
Word |
1d12+7 |
|
2d6+8 |
+1.5 |
Hezrou |
Slam |
2d10+9 |
|
4d6+8 |
+2 |
|
Bite |
2d8+9 |
|
4d6+8 |
+4 |
Marilith |
Scimitar |
2d10+9 |
|
3d6+8 |
-1.5 |
Pit
Fiend |
Flametouched
Mace |
2d10+11 |
|
3d8+9 |
+0.5 |
|
Tail
Sting |
1d6+11 |
|
3d8+9 |
+8 |
|
Irresistible
Command |
2d10+5 |
|
2d8+9 |
+2 |
War
Devil |
Claw |
1d6+8 |
|
4d6+8 |
+10.5 |
|
Trident |
4d4+8 |
|
4d6+8 |
+4 |
Blackfire
Dracolich |
Bite |
2d10+9 |
|
3d6+8 |
-1.5 |
|
Blackfire |
2d8+8 |
|
4d8+8 |
+9 |
|
Breath
Weapon |
2d12+8 |
|
4d12+8 |
+13 |
Runescribed
Dracolich |
Bite |
2d10+10 |
|
3d8+10 |
+2.5 |
|
Blackfire |
2d12+8 |
|
4d10+9 |
+10 |
|
Breath
Weapon |
3d12+8 |
|
5d10+9 |
+9 |
Ancient
Black Dragon |
Bite |
2d8+8 |
|
4d6+9 |
+6 |
|
Claw |
1d10+8 |
|
4d6+9 |
+9.5 |
|
Tail
Slash |
1d10+12 |
|
4d6+9 |
+5.5 |
|
Breath
Weapon |
4d8+6 |
|
5d10+9 |
+12.5 |
|
Vitriolic
Acid |
2d10+6 |
|
5d12+9 |
+22.5 |
Ancient
Blue Dragon |
Gore |
2d8+10 |
|
2d8+10 |
+/-0 |
|
Claw |
2d6+10 |
|
2d8+10 |
+2 |
|
Wingclap |
3d10+8 |
|
5d10+9 |
+12 |
|
Breath
Weapon |
3d12+22 |
|
5d10+9 |
-5 |
|
Thunderclap |
2d10+8 |
|
2d8+10 |
-2 |
|
Lightning
Burst |
5d6+8 |
|
2d8+10 |
-6.5 |
Ancient
Green Dragon |
Bite |
1d12+10 |
|
3d8+9 |
+6 |
|
Claw |
1d10+10 |
|
3d8+9 |
+7 |
|
Tail
Sweep |
2d12+10 |
|
3d8+9 |
-0.5 |
|
Breath
Weapon |
3d10+8 |
|
5d10+9 |
+12 |
Elder
Red Dragon |
Bite |
2d10+9 |
|
3d6+8 |
-1.5 |
|
Claw |
2d10+9 |
|
3d6+8 |
-1.5 |
|
Tail
Strike |
3d10+9 |
|
3d6+8 |
-7 |
|
Immolate
Foe |
3d10+8 |
|
4d12+8 |
+9.5 |
|
Breath
Weapon |
3d12+8 |
|
4d12+8 |
+6.5 |
Ancient
Red Dragon |
Bite |
2d12+12 |
|
3d8+10 |
-1.5 |
|
Claw |
2d12+12 |
|
3d8+10 |
-1.5 |
|
Tail
Strike |
4d10+12 |
|
3d8+10 |
-9.5 |
|
Immolate
Foe |
4d10+10 |
|
5d10+9 |
+4.5 |
|
Breath
Weapon |
4d12+12 |
|
5d10+9 |
-1.5 |
Ancient
White Dragon |
Bite |
2d12+7 |
|
4d6+8 |
+2 |
|
Claw |
2d12+7 |
|
4d6+8 |
+2 |
|
Icy
Tomb |
4d12+9 |
|
4d12+8 |
-1 |
|
Breath
Weapon |
8d6+9 |
|
4d12+8 |
-3 |
Dragonborn
Champion |
Bastard
Sword |
2d10+9 |
|
3d8+9 |
+3.5 |
|
Furious
Blade |
2d10+9 |
|
5d12+9 |
+21.5 |
|
Dragon
Breath |
2d6+6 |
|
5d12+9 |
+28.5 |
Bluespawn
Godslayer |
Greatsword |
4d6+9 |
|
4d6+8 |
-1 |
|
Bite |
1d10+7 |
|
4d6+8 |
+9.5 |
Efreet
Fireblade |
Scimitar |
2d10+7 |
|
3d6+8 |
+0.5 |
|
Hurl
Scimitar |
2d10+7 |
|
3d6+8 |
+0.5 |
|
Whirling
Firesteel Strike |
2d10+7 |
|
4d12+8 |
+16 |
Efreet
Cinderlord |
Scimitar |
2d10+7 |
|
3d6+8 |
+0.5 |
|
Fire
Bolt |
2d6+8 |
|
2d6+8 |
+/-0 |
|
Curse
of the Efreet |
1d6+8 |
|
5d10+8 |
+24 |
Efreet
Flamestrider |
Scimitar |
2d10+8 |
|
3d6+8 |
-0.5 |
|
Fiery
Grasp |
1d6+8 |
|
2d6+8 |
+3.5 |
Efreet
Pyresinger |
Scimitar |
2d10+9 |
|
3d8+9 |
-0.5 |
|
Fire
Bolt |
3d6+8 |
|
2d8+9 |
-0.5 |
|
Fiery
Chains |
2d8+7 |
|
4d10+9 |
+15 |
Efreet
Karadjin |
Scimitar
of Horrendous Flame |
2d10+9 |
|
3d8+10 |
+3.5 |
Ghaele
of Winter |
Winter's
Touch |
2d8+9 |
|
2d6+7 |
-4 |
|
Freezing
Ray |
2d8+9 |
|
3d6+8 |
+0.5 |
Earthwind
Ravager |
Slam |
2d8+10 |
|
3d6+8 |
-0.5 |
|
Wind
Devil |
4d8 |
|
2d6+8 |
-2 |
|
Whirlwind |
1d8+10 |
|
2d6+8 |
+0.5 |
|
Buffeting
Blast |
4d8+8 |
|
4d12+8 |
+8 |
Thunderblast
Cyclone |
Lightning
Arc |
2d8+11 |
|
2d8+9 |
-2 |
|
Lightning
Bolt |
2d8+11 |
|
3d8+9 |
+1.5 |
|
Thunderclap |
2d10+9 |
|
2d8+9 |
-2 |
|
Charged
Mist |
1d10+9 |
|
5d10+9 |
+22 |
|
Lightning
Storm |
6d8+9 |
|
5d10+9 |
+4 |
Great
Flameskull |
Fiery
Bite |
1d4 |
|
2d6+8 |
+12.5 |
|
Flame
Ray |
2d8+10 |
|
3d6+8 |
-0.5 |
|
Firestorm |
3d6+10 |
|
5d10+8 |
+15 |
Tormenting
Ghost |
Spirit
Touch |
2d8+9 |
|
3d6+8 |
+0.5 |
|
Burst
of Terror |
1d8+9 |
|
4d10+7 |
+15.5 |
Death
Giant |
Greataxe |
2d6+9 |
|
4d6+8 |
+6 |
|
Soulfire
Burst |
2d8+5 |
|
3d6+8 |
+4.5 |
Death Titan |
Greataxe |
2d8+10 |
|
4d6+9 |
+4 |
|
Soulfire Burst |
2d12+6 |
|
3d8+9 |
+3.5 |
Fire Titan |
Fireraging Greatsword |
2d6+9 |
|
3d6+8 |
+2.5 |
|
Hurl Lava |
4d6+6 |
|
4d10+7 |
+9 |
|
Burning Wave |
2d10 |
|
2d6+7 |
+3 |
Storm Giant |
Crackling Greatsword |
1d12+10 |
|
3d6+8 |
+2 |
|
Sweeping Sword |
2d8+10 |
|
5d10+8 |
+16.5 |
|
Hurl Thunderbolt |
2d6+6 |
|
2d6+8 |
+2 |
|
Howling Winds |
1d12+6 |
|
4d12+8 |
+21.5 |
Storm Titan |
Roaring Greatsword |
2d6+11 |
|
3d8+9 |
+4.5 |
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Hurl Thunderbolt |
3d6+6 |
|
2d8+9 |
+1.5 |
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Howling Winds |
2d12+6 |
|
4d10+9 |
+12 |
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